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Thread: NMCA Mid Season Rules Requests for West Coast

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    NMCA Mid Season Rules Requests for West Coast

    We were wondering if NMCA West Coast Series will have a NMCA Mid Season Rules Requests this year?

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    2 races in and lets look.

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    Thanks for the reply Trey.

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    Did you have any rule changes in mind Steve?

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    I'd love to come racing with you guys but as it stands, I'd have to drag a tank behind me down the track to run. The splits are fine but when you put a combo up around 3500#, it gets very dicey.

    My feedback - A 150# weight reduction across the board in Outlaw 8.5 would get at the very least three more cars.

    That all said, I heard it was an awesome race in Bakersfield and good luck out West this year. If not racing, I'll at least try to show up and watch the next one.
    DJ Reid

    Flatiron Racecars - Chris Alston's Chassisworks - Moran Motorsports - dad's Custom Tanks
    Hughes Performance - T-Flow Racing Heads - Unlimited Fiberglass - Holley Performance

    WCHRA / PSCA - #68
    1.17 60' on 275's and Leafs (12-Bolt @ 3350#)
    5.02 @ 147 on 26x8.5's (Vid)
    4.79 @ 151 on 275's (Vid)

    www.afromaro.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67AfroMaro View Post
    I'd love to come racing with you guys but as it stands, I'd have to drag a tank behind me down the track to run. The splits are fine but when you put a combo up around 3500#, it gets very dicey.

    My feedback - A 150# weight reduction across the board in Outlaw 8.5 would get at the very least three more cars.
    Lower the weight to be comparable with the other two associations and we will run with you guys.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67AfroMaro View Post
    I'd love to come racing with you guys but as it stands, I'd have to drag a tank behind me down the track to run. The splits are fine but when you put a combo up around 3500#, it gets very dicey.

    My feedback - A 150# weight reduction across the board in Outlaw 8.5 would get at the very least three more cars.

    That all said, I heard it was an awesome race in Bakersfield and good luck out West this year. If not racing, I'll at least try to show up and watch the next one.
    What am I missing? We have worked with Tim to make the rules very very close between the WCHRA and NMCA West Outlaw 8.5. Can you let me know about your combination and what the WCHRA has the base weight vs the NMCA West rules?

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    OHey Trey - Tim's weights are heavier than the rest of the country and there is a weight penalty on the tire the rest of the country uses. He has to do this to keep distance from X275 and give the Limited 10.5 guys a shot in Outlaw 8.5. I get why he has to do it but its slowing down 8.5 for the benecit of two other classes with historically lower counts. This is Outlaw 8.5 and the outlaw cars are out... It leaves guys like rob and I stuck running X275 (a 1/4 mi class) or trying to run outlaw 8.5 at 3500# which is ridiculous.

    Mel runs light, Tim runs heavy and the rest of the country is running in between them and running faster.

    Watch Tim's rules next year - I'm guessing the weights will be more reasonable as X275 has sped up and the limited cars that were in builds or broken are back.
    DJ Reid

    Flatiron Racecars - Chris Alston's Chassisworks - Moran Motorsports - dad's Custom Tanks
    Hughes Performance - T-Flow Racing Heads - Unlimited Fiberglass - Holley Performance

    WCHRA / PSCA - #68
    1.17 60' on 275's and Leafs (12-Bolt @ 3350#)
    5.02 @ 147 on 26x8.5's (Vid)
    4.79 @ 151 on 275's (Vid)

    www.afromaro.com

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    combo

    Can you fill me in a bit on your specific combo and what the weights are between PSCA, WCHRA, and NMCA West?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMCA Trey View Post
    Can you fill me in a bit on your specific combo and what the weights are between PSCA, WCHRA, and NMCA West?
    68 Camaro
    Stock Suspension
    400 SBC
    EFI
    Procharger 4.5" Inducer

    Required weights...

    PSCA - 3050#
    WCHRA - 3500#
    NMCA - 3550#
    DJ Reid

    Flatiron Racecars - Chris Alston's Chassisworks - Moran Motorsports - dad's Custom Tanks
    Hughes Performance - T-Flow Racing Heads - Unlimited Fiberglass - Holley Performance

    WCHRA / PSCA - #68
    1.17 60' on 275's and Leafs (12-Bolt @ 3350#)
    5.02 @ 147 on 26x8.5's (Vid)
    4.79 @ 151 on 275's (Vid)

    www.afromaro.com

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    BTW... in PSCA the Hoosier is illegal.

    In NMCA/WCHRA, subtract 150# for the Mickey - even then, the weights are still high but I would think comparing the M/T PSCA weight to the NMCA Hoosier weight is fair game since nobody is running the Mickey in any association that allows the Hoosier (even with the penalty).

    Edit: I'm not saying bring *my* weight down, I'm saying bring them all down.
    Last edited by 67AfroMaro; 07-19-2012 at 03:42 PM.
    DJ Reid

    Flatiron Racecars - Chris Alston's Chassisworks - Moran Motorsports - dad's Custom Tanks
    Hughes Performance - T-Flow Racing Heads - Unlimited Fiberglass - Holley Performance

    WCHRA / PSCA - #68
    1.17 60' on 275's and Leafs (12-Bolt @ 3350#)
    5.02 @ 147 on 26x8.5's (Vid)
    4.79 @ 151 on 275's (Vid)

    www.afromaro.com

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    weights

    NMCA West
    Base-3400
    +75 Super Charger
    3475
    150+Hoosier
    3625
    -50 Stock Suspension
    3575
    -50 Nostalgia Break
    3525 Base Weight
    3375 With out Hoosier

    WCHRA
    Base-3400
    +75 Super Charger
    3475
    150+Hoosier
    3625
    -50 Stock Suspension
    3575
    -75 Nostalgia Break
    3500 Base Weight
    3350 With out Hoosier

    PSCA
    3200
    -50 Stock Suspension
    3150
    -50 Nostalgia Break
    3100 Base WeightOnly Mickey Thompson
    If there was a Hoosire adder of 150
    3250

    London Dragway
    3300 F1R
    -50 Stock Suppension
    3250
    and
    3350 F2
    -50 Stock Suspension
    3300

    There were acouple of others that showed up on a google search with rules of 8.5 and go no base weights.

    Extreme Outlaw Series was 3250 base for SC and go
    Small Block Posse for Atco was 3100 and roll.

    So there are alot of choices to look at. Do you really want to run the Hoosier is the biggest questions I see. Just lookin around, see you at the track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMCA Trey View Post
    NMCA West
    Base-3400
    +75 Super Charger
    3475
    150+Hoosier
    3625
    -50 Stock Suspension
    3575
    -50 Nostalgia Break
    3525 Base Weight
    3375 With out Hoosier

    WCHRA
    Base-3400
    +75 Super Charger
    3475
    150+Hoosier
    3625
    -50 Stock Suspension
    3575
    -75 Nostalgia Break
    3500 Base Weight
    3350 With out Hoosier

    PSCA
    3200
    -50 Stock Suspension
    3150
    -50 Nostalgia Break
    3100 Base WeightOnly Mickey Thompson
    If there was a Hoosire adder of 150
    3250

    London Dragway
    3300 F1R
    -50 Stock Suppension
    3250
    and
    3350 F2
    -50 Stock Suspension
    3300

    There were acouple of others that showed up on a google search with rules of 8.5 and go no base weights.

    Extreme Outlaw Series was 3250 base for SC and go
    Small Block Posse for Atco was 3100 and roll.
    I really appreciate you taking the time to look and respond Trey. Pretty much from what you found, NMCA and WCHRA are pretty high and that doesn't include, ORSCA, Holly Springs, Kansas etc, all 8.5 races more in line with 3200-3300 for my type combo on the Hoosier.

    I'm not going to beat you up on this, I'm really happy you guys are out West and I hope it grows. We'll be in the stands watching, waiting and hoping that we can participate next year if the weights come down a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by NMCA Trey View Post
    So there are alot of choices to look at. Do you really want to run the Hoosier is the biggest questions I see. Just lookin around, see you at the track.
    I also wanted to stress the weight splits between combos are great... just the overall weight is high. Never-mind that the Mickey is done after 9 hits (I have three old sets that look new in the trailer as proof) compared to the Hoosier at 25-30. So you tell me what the tire column here tells you...

    You can see the whole DB at http://www.outlaw85.com/records.cgi?list=FULL

    Last edited by 67AfroMaro; 07-19-2012 at 05:24 PM.
    DJ Reid

    Flatiron Racecars - Chris Alston's Chassisworks - Moran Motorsports - dad's Custom Tanks
    Hughes Performance - T-Flow Racing Heads - Unlimited Fiberglass - Holley Performance

    WCHRA / PSCA - #68
    1.17 60' on 275's and Leafs (12-Bolt @ 3350#)
    5.02 @ 147 on 26x8.5's (Vid)
    4.79 @ 151 on 275's (Vid)

    www.afromaro.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67AfroMaro View Post
    OHey Trey - Tim's weights are heavier than the rest of the country and there is a weight penalty on the tire the rest of the country uses. He has to do this to keep distance from X275 and give the Limited 10.5 guys a shot in Outlaw 8.5. I get why he has to do it but its slowing down 8.5 for the benecit of two other classes with historically lower counts. This is Outlaw 8.5 and the outlaw cars are out... It leaves guys like rob and I stuck running X275 (a 1/4 mi class) or trying to run outlaw 8.5 at 3500# which is ridiculous.

    Mel runs light, Tim runs heavy and the rest of the country is running in between them and running faster.

    Watch Tim's rules next year - I'm guessing the weights will be more reasonable as X275 has sped up and the limited cars that were in builds or broken are back.
    I also think that if the rules were dropped at least 100#s in 8.5 more cars would show. Just my FYI.

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